Competing for Souls: Paul Seabright Explores Religion’s Economic Power
Michael is a great interviewer – he’d read The Divine Economy carefully and thought hard about the arguments. It lasts a bit over an hour and a half.
Competing for Souls: Paul Seabright Explores Religion’s Economic Power
Michael is a great interviewer – he’d read The Divine Economy carefully and thought hard about the arguments. It lasts a bit over an hour and a half.
I’m happy to hear that The Divine Economy made the longlist, together with 15 other excellent titles out of 600 submitted. It did not make the shortlist, which was announced on September 17th.
The last episode in Season 3 of the wonderful IAST Podcast series Crossing Channels is now available here, in which I take part with the excellent Diane Coyle and Ruth Mace. It’s hosted by the incomparable Rory Cellan-Jones in his farewell appearance.
Watch this space for an announcement about my book project with Guido Friebel, provisionally entitled Alternatives to Assassination: How to persuade elderly leaders to concede power gracefully.
The Divine Economy has been selected by Martin Wolf of the Financial Times as one of the best summer books of 2024 (Economics). When I asked Dalle to provide an accompanying image, this is what resulted (after a few adjustments….).
Image generated by DALL·E, an AI model by OpenAI.
Forthcoming book events:
Society for Scientific Study of Religion, Annual Meeting, Pittsburgh, 18th October 2024.
The book was published by Princeton University Press on 14th May 2024. It was long listed for the FT/Schroders Business Book of the Year Award 2024.
Here is a contribution to PUP’s Ideas page to mark the release: “A sermon from a mountebank? Religious messaging in the age of AI“.
Here is an extract in Foreign Policy: “The Divine Marketplace is Pretty Crowded”.
Launch events were held at the University of Glasgow on 28th May and at the London School of Economics on 29th May. The lecture at the LSE was recorded, and is available on YouTube here.
I discussed the book on 11th June during the launch event for the Starling 2024 Compendium, with Harvard Business School’s Amy Edmondson.
I published a piece on 30th August in IAI News entitled “How Religion Wrote the Playbook for Big Tech: Studying Religion from the Outside In“.
Reviews, podcasts and interviews are available here.
The announcement page is here, and you can order it there are well.
You can also order it on Amazon here.
The data files for the Statistical Appendix are available here.
If you want to propose a review, or alert me to one that has appeared and that is not mentioned on this page, you can contact me here.
Reviews and interviews:
In English:
1) By Sascha Becker, forthcoming in the Journal of Economic Literature:
“[A]n insightful and enjoyable read. [Seabright’s] platform view makes for a fresh look at religious organizations. I suspect that all scholars of religion economics will find the book equally insightful. For those less familiar with the economics of religion, the book is also an easy-to-read launchpad to the field. . . it will enthuse broad-minded social scientists as well. Finally, since the book addresses ‘big questions’ in an accessible and engaging style, it will also be of interest to nonspecialists.”
2) In The Economist – “God™: an ageing product outperforms expectations”:
“The Divine Economy looks at how religions attract followers, money and power and argues that they are businesses—and should be analysed as such.
Professor Seabright calls religions “platforms”, businesses that “facilitate relationships”. (Other economists refer to religions as “clubs” or “glue”.) He then takes a quick canter through the history, sociology and economics of religions to illustrate this. The best parts of this book deal with economics, which the general reader will find enlightening.”
3) By Jane Shaw, in The Financial Times – “Is religion just like business?”:
“A wide-ranging book, full of fascinating examples from the world’s many religions…Using his economist’s tools to analyse the lasting power of the world’s religions, Seabright has produced an engaging and insightful book, which I found myself pondering long after I had read the last page. Religion is a powerful force in many parts of the world. The religions that continue to be successful in a rapidly changing environment, he concludes, keep evolving to remain so.”
4) By Martin Wolf, in The Financial Times‘ Best summer books of 2024: Economics:
“Seabright has a great talent for addressing original questions. In this book, he reverses the familiar trope that religion is the antithesis of mere economics. On the contrary, he argues, religions are competing businesses: they attract people by providing services they value, from the mundane — a community in which to find a compatible mate — to the sublime — a sense of life’s meaning. Since these wants will not disappear, neither will religions. But, he concludes rather encouragingly, religions will fail if they choose to shackle themselves to tyrants. One hopes he is right.” See an associated DALLE image here.
5) By Shadi Hamid in Foreign Affairs: “Secular stagnation: How Religion Endures in a Godless Age”.
“The Divine Economy is an ambitious work that attempts to think economically about something that so often seems beyond the grasp of the social sciences….As Seabright puts it, “Without economic resources behind them, the most beautifully crafted messages will struggle to gain a hearing in the cacophony of life.” It is rare and even refreshing to have a book about the rise of religion that concludes, in a sense, that it’s the economy, stupid…..If there were a world in which people cared only about calculating their economic self-interest, the power of religion would be significantly blunted. But the world does not quite work that way—and, if Seabright’s analysis is any indication, it won’t any time soon.”
6) With Stephen Scott in the Starling Compendium, pp. 409-414: “An Interview with Paul Seabright”, covers both The Divine Economy and The Company of Strangers.
7) By Jonathan Benthall in The Times Literary Supplement: “The free market in faith: viewing religion through the lens of economics”.
“Combining tough-mindedness and cultural sensitivity, Paul Seabright may help to bring religion nearer to the mainstream of international political debate.”
8) By Arnold Kling in EconLib: “The Religion Business”.
There is a “tension between the narrow definition of religion and Seabright’s broader platform perspective. If religion were merely the belief in certain animal spirits, then at least in the United States we would be happy to rely on the First Amendment and a tolerant attitude of, “sure, whatever floats your boat.” But as platforms, religions have an impact on the economy, on politics, and on social relations in general. Friction would seem to be inevitable, and it becomes unclear how best to apply the First Amendment.”
9) By Atul K. Shah in The LSE Review of Books blog:
“The Divine Economy draws from the insights of sociology, anthropology, psychology, political economy and philosophy to show the deep the effect of faith in everyday life and explains why religiosity has been dynamic rather than static, and creative in response to the challenges of modernity. It shows how the prediction that secularism would prevail in an age of science and reason has been proved wrong, precisely because religion provides people with meaning, purpose and community, which secularism alone often fails to deliver. For me, religion’s scope and challenge has been truly ambitious, and the book has risen to this through a structured organisation, beautiful narratives and accessible language, authoritative open-minded research, all compiled from decades of study of the economics of religion.”
10) By an anonymous reviewer in The Interim:
“Paul Seabright, an economist at the Toulouse School of Economics, ambitiously applies not only economics but anthropology, history, philosophy, political science, psychology, science, and sociology, to understand how the world’s religions…attract and retain followers and thus money and power to sustain themselves over time. Furthermore, Seabright does so looking beyond the Abrahamic religions and all in 341 pages before landing at the statistical appendix, endnotes, bibliography, and index….Seabright is on to something when he says that secularism has not succeeded because religion provides people with meaning, purpose, and community that is not available elsewhere; even in our increasingly secular cultures, billions of people still claim (if not always practice) their faith, and examining why through an interdisciplinary lens and economic reasoning helps explain why.”
11) By Mark Koyama, on his substack:
“The Divine Economy is an original and important contribution to the economics of religion. It is accessible and readable but there is also much for specialists and scholars to discuss and debate.”
12) By Helen Nicholls for the National Secular Society: “Paul Seabright’s economic perspective on religion provides useful insights into the power of religious institutions – and how religious privilege can be countered”:
“Religious privilege exists when religious beliefs and interests are treated as more important than secular ones. Discussion of religion often rests on the presumption that it is inherently special. Paul Seabright’s new book, The Divine Economy: How religions compete for wealth, power and people, offers a different approach to religion by viewing it through an economic lens…..The Divine Economy is refreshing in that it is neither pro nor anti religion. Seabright recognises that from an economic perspective, religions operate in a similar manner to other organisations and are as susceptible to corruption and abuse as other institutions. His answer is religious organisations should be just as accountable. He is clear that the relationship between religion and the state will always present challenges that we must be prepared to face head on for the benefit of religious and non-religious people alike.”
13) By Nick Spencer in The Church Times:
“The Divine Economy is an intelligent, wide-ranging, and well-researched book offering a helpful economic lens through which to interpret religion. “
14) By an anonymous reviewer in The Times of India: “Why Religion is Big Business“:
“Paul Seabright’s The Divine Economy explores how religions function like global businesses, competing for resources and adherents. The book examines how religious authority is gained and used, and the role of persuasion versus coercion. It highlights the corporatisation of religions and its implications, emphasising the religious platforms thrive better through persuasion rather than force.”
15) By David Voas in Ethnic and Racial Studies:
“The Divine Economy is a big book, both literally and figuratively. The text alone runs to about 130,000 words, followed by 88 pages of small-font endnotes and references. The title hints at the scale of the ambition: the book amounts to a sole-authored handbook of the scientific study of religion, starting with the question ‘What is religion?’ (Ch. 1) and continuing from there….Seabright has clearly read a tremendous amount, and the scope of the work is imposing. I doubt that anyone is fully competent to assess the whole book: I confess to having little expertise on many of the issues he covers. His writing is always interesting and often persuasive, but as I find the work superficial or mistaken on the topics I know about, my confidence is reduced in his conclusions more generally.”
16) By Miguel Petrosky in The Revealer: “Winning the Religious Marketplace“:
“Seabright’s canvas of the global religious landscape is painted with subtlety; the breadth of his book is global and draws from various episodes of world history and economic thought, yet his arguments offer insights on America’s political and religious climate at this moment.”
In French:
1) By Jean Duchesne in Aleteia – “En quoi la foi n’est pas étrangère aux réalités économiques”. Not so much a review as a short overview of different approaches to the use of economics to study religion.
2) With Thomas Mahler in l’Express: “Au niveau mondial, le christianisme n’est pas en déclin face à l’islam”.
3) By Bertrand Jacquillat in l’Opinion: “Plateformes numériques et religions: rivalités et concurrence”:
“Il peut paraître iconoclaste de soumettre l’espace religieux à l’analyse économique. Les religions pourtant s’y prêtent, du fait qu’elles partagent certaines des caractéristiques des organisations séculaires, et bénéficient d’une puissance financière indéniable”.
4) A short but favourable review by an anonymous reviewer in books.fr: “Les religions comme marques”.
5) By Julien Damon in Les Echos: “Les religions, des firmes comme les autres“:
“Dans le prolongement d’un Adam Smith, qui s’intéressait à la compétition des religions et à leurs relations avec l’univers politique, et à partir d’un vaste ensemble de travaux académiques, il publie un livre passionnant…Seabright réussit l’exploit, sur un sujet aussi dense, de produire un panorama, en bien des points, captivant…Cet ouvrage original et percutant, d’économie mais aussi de sociologie, mérite d’être traduit.”
In German:
1) By Rainer Hank in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung: “Warum Religionen nicht totzukriegen sind”:
“Zwischen 1850 und 1950 erlebte der deutsche Katholizismus eine seiner größten Blüten in der Kirchengeschichte. Zufall? Nein, so lese ich es in einem faszinierenden Buch des britischen Ökonomen Paul Seabright, der an der Universität Toulouse lehrt. „The Divine Economy“ heißt das Buch. Die These: Religionen sind nicht totzukriegen. Der Forscher schreibt sine ira et studio; er argumentiert weder als Religionskritiker noch als Anwalt der Kirchen, sondern strikt als Wirtschaftswissenschaftler…..Da geht es den hiesigen Kirchen nicht anders als dem von Uber attackierten Taxigewerbe. Mehr und nicht weniger Wettbewerb, eine radikale Trennung vom Staatskirchenrecht, wäre die Empfehlung des Ökonomen für die Rückgewinnung von kirchlicher Innovation. Wer glaubt, dass es so kommt, wird selig.”
Other references in the print media:
1) Editorial in The Times of India: “Why Religion is Big Business: an economic lens might explain its fortunes”. Not so much a review as an editorial opinion piece that summarises (approvingly) the book’s main arguments:
“God’s work is worldly work, and religions are businesses like any other, argues The Divine Economy…”. Full editorial here.
2) By Andrew Brown in The Church Times – “Using economics to explain religion has limits”. So, apparently, does reviewing a review of the book instead of reviewing the book itself, since Brown apparently believes the author is one Paul Seagate…. My letter to the Church Times correcting the spelling is here.
3) By John L Allen Jr in The Catholic Herald: “Africa calling: Westerners must accept that Catholicism’s centre of gravity is shifting.” The article begins:
“British academic Paul Seabright recently published an intriguing new book called The Divine Economy, which attempts to offer an economic analysis of religion. For admirers of belief, it includes the consoling premise that “religion is not in decline; it is, in many ways, more powerful than it has ever been”.
To prove the point, Seabright wanted to open with a vignette to capture the enduring appeal of religious faith. It was natural, arguably even inevitable, that he chose a setting in Africa – specifically, a Pentecostal megachurch in Accra, the capital city of Ghana, where his heroine, Grace, devotes a considerable portion of her meagre income to supporting the lavish lifestyle of Pastor William.”
Podcasts and radio interviews:
With Rory Cellan-Jones and Iza Hussin on Crossing Channels, the IAST podcast.
With Mike Fallat on Million Dollar Stories.
With Alison Kuhlow and Roger Goldman on Mountain Money on National Public Radio.
With Chris Voss on The Chris Voss Show.
With Matthew Wilkin on The Sociology Show Podcast (video link to the episode here).
With Vivek Shankar on The Interesting Podcast.
With Louise Perry on her podcast Maiden Mother Matriarch (link to follow).
With Michael Shermer.
With Richard Aedy on The Money (Australian Broadcasting Corporation).
Inspired by this news story from London….Image created by OpenAI’s DALL·E.
“Steady on, Jeeves!” I exclaimed.
“Sir?” He was icily polite.
“Are you feeling quite yourself, Jeeves?” I asked, with what I hoped he would interpret as a tenderly solicitous air.
“Sir?” A little slower this time, with the tiniest hint of menace.
“I’m sorry, Jeeves, it must be me. I thought you were hallucinating. I should have known better.”
“Sir?” He sounded bewildered.
“Yes, Jeeves”, I said, relieved at last to have found an explanation. “I need one of your pick-me-ups. It was quite a night, last night. I’m the one who’s hallucinating, not you. Forget I mentioned it.”
“May I ask what your hallucination consisted in, sir?”
“Yes, of course. Quite absurd, really. I thought you said….”
“Sir?”
“You’ll think me ridiculous, I know. Rather embarrassing to admit, really. But I thought you said…”
“Yes, sir?”
“I thought you said….no, ha ha, I can barely utter it…I thought you said the Drones Club…”
“Sir?”
“I thought you said the Drones Club had voted to admit lady members.”
There was an awkward silence. I wished the ground would open and swallow me up.
I began to stutter. “Er, er…absurd of course..”
“No sir”, said Jeeves – even more icily, if that were possible. Who’s the chap, Beer or Lear or someone, who goes out on the icy heath? I know how the fellow felt.
“I told you I was hallucinating”.
“It was the Garrick Club, sir.”
I reached out to steady myself against the wall.
“There it goes again, Jeeves. I’m still hallucinating. Get me that pick-me-up, quickly, please.”
“As you wish, sir.”
“It’s getting worse, Jeeves. This time I thought you said it was the Garrick.”
“It was, sir.”
It was with a surprising degree of calm that, some minutes later, I noted a gradual slowing-down of the stars that had begun to spin around me upon hearing Jeeves’s words. The pick-me-up he had pressed to my lips had something to do with it, no doubt. I had sunk back onto the chaise-longue. Eventually the blur in the drawing-room around me began to clear.
“I say, Jeeves!”
“Yes, sir?”
“What is it those classical chaps are always saying? O tempora…?”
“O mores, sir.”
“That’s it, Jeeves! If even the Garrick….I mean, if even the Garrick, well we’re sunk, aren’t we?”
“Indeed, sir”.
“I mean dash it, Jeeves. Where’s a fellow to go to escape the….”
“Yes, sir?”
“The, the, what’s the word I want? Something beginning with E”.
“Entanglements, sir?”
“That’s the word I want. The entanglements of the fair sex. I mean to say, if the fair sex are to be found skulking even in the Garrick, there’ll be nowhere to hide!”
“Precisely, sir”.
“Entanglements everywhere!”
“Indeed, sir.”
There was another silence. I tried to look philosophical, but I fear that my eyes were swivelling. Like that patient old Pop Glossop described to me once, a most enlightening conversation until it dawned on me that he was comparing the patient’s state of mind favourably with that of yours truly.
Jeeves coughed, discreetly. I recognized the signs.
“What is it, Jeeves? I can tell you’re hatching something. You look like a gull sitting on an egg.”
From the tiniest flicker of an eyebrow, I could tell that Jeeves was deeply wounded. But he is made of sterner stuff, and the moment passed.
“I fear, sir, the days are gone when one could escape entanglements at the Garrick, even without the presence of lady members.”
“I say, Jeeves, you don’t mean….?”
“Precisely, sir”.
“What’s that thing about bread, you know, the loaf that durst not something-or-other…?”
“The love that durst not speak its name, sir”.
“That’s it, Jeeves. I say, we’re really torpedoed below the waterline now, aren’t we? Though, come to think of it, that’s not the metaphor…”
“I would not venture to describe the situation in quite such apocalyptic terms, sir.”
“Oh you bally well wouldn’t, would you? What makes you so jolly confident, may I ask?”
Jeeves coughed again. I have learned to pay special attention when he does that.
“If I may make so bold, sir…”
“Yes, Jeeves?”
“I have in recent weeks become engaged, sir, in what, were I of the apocalyptic turn of mind that your lordship so recently expressed, I might have described as just such an ‘entanglement’, but which I would now rather express as a most happy state of circumstances, sir.”
I tried to parse that one. Jeeves’s pick-me-up wasn’t helping.
“I say, Jeeves, you don’t mean…?”
“I do, sir”.
I paused. And then, because pausing seemed to be doing me some good, I paused again.
I examined the situation from every angle.
“Well, Jeeves, I must say, I hope you’ll both be very happy….”
“Thank you, sir”.
“And, for the avoidance of all confusion, am I to understand that the fairer sex are in no way involved in this, er, entanglement?”
“I think it unfortunate, sir, that in answering in the affirmative I might be thought to doubt the fairness of the gentleman in question”.
“I see, Jeeves.”
“Thank you, sir.”
It was a wiser, but not after all a sadder Bertram who sidled into the bar at the Drones that evening. I had done a lot of what I believe is called thinking. Not much of it in the Drones, I grant you. But I sensed that changes were in the air.
“I say, Pongo!” I exclaimed, spying him deep in thought over a brandy-and-soda in a corner Chesterfield. “I’ve got a rather strange question for you!”
Pongo turned a jaundiced air on Bertram, as if to wonder morosely when my questions had ever been less than strange.
I coughed slightly, before proceeding. I’ve noticed Jeeves does that sometimes, and it gives what he says a certain something. What’s that word beginning with G?
I couldn’t find the G-word, but I found another in its place.
“I say Pongo, you don’t know anyone who might be willing to put me up for the Garrick, do you?”
From Pongo’s startled look I understood that I was going to have to explain it all to him from the beginning.
First, links to some short (one-paragraph) unpublished reviews of books I enjoyed and would recommend to at least some readers (I include here only books that stand out from the majority I read). There are only a few of these now (August 2024), but I will update them regularly as I read more.
Short reviews of fiction.
Short reviews of non-fiction.
Next, here are links to longer reviews I published in 2022-2024, beginning with the most recent:
“O lucky man! What poker players do and don’t have in common with plutocrats”, a view of Nate Silver’s On The Edge: The Art of Risking Everything, in the Times Literary Supplement, 22 August 2024.
“Thomas Nagel: Moral Feelings, Moral Reality, and Moral Progress”, in Society, 06 February 2024.
This is part of a symposium on Nagel’s book; the other (gated) contributions to the symposium can be found here.
“Things can only get better? The ambivalent impact of innovation on society”, a review of Daron Acemoglu and Simon Johnson: Power and Progress: Our thousand-year struggle over technology and prosperity, in The Times Literary Supplement, July 14, 2023.
“Trouble in paradise. Why is economic progress so little cause for celebration?”, a review of J. Bradford DeLong: Slouching Towards Utopia: An economic history of the twentieth century, in The Times Literary Supplement, 23 September 2022.
“Thomas Piketty: A Brief History of Inequality”, in Society, 31 January 2023.
“Please sir, can I have quite a lot more?”, a review of Sebastian Mallaby: The Power Law: venture capital and the art of disruption, The Times Literary Supplement, 18th February 2022.
The Cinemagraph is a technique pioneered by Jamie Beck and Kevin Burg, which uses the old animated .gif format to stunning effect (see www.cinemagraphs.com). The result is still photos imbued with subtle motion.
Compare the still picture above to the cinemagraph below, made by Stéphanie Renard and Alice Seabright.
Here is a sample of some of my favourite cinemagraphs.
A Wonderful World. (Image source: From Me To You)
Can You Smell Them? (Image source: From Me To You)
Endless Time. (Image source: Tilen Sepic)
Shave And A Haircut. (Image source: From Me To You)
Meet Me At The Bar. (Image source: From Me To You)
Above: “City of Shadows: St. Petersburg 1990s”, by Alexey Titarenko.
Here are some contemporary photographers whose work I admire.
Stéphanie Renard
Stéphanie is a portraitist and still life photographer based in Toulouse. Thanks to her for the portrait on the About page.
Gauri Gill
Gauri Gill has won the 2011 Grange Prize for contemporary photography. She was born in Chandigarh, India in 1970. She received BFAs at the Delhi College of Art, New Delhi (1992) and at the Parsons School of Design, New York (1994); and an MFA in Art at Stanford University, California (2002). Her work has been exhibited widely in India and across the world. She lives in Delhi.
Alexey Titarenko.
Alexey Titarenko received his Master of Fine Arts degree from the Department of Cinematic and Photographic Art at Leningrad’s Institute of Culture in 1983. He began taking photographs at the beginning of the 1970s, and in 1978 became a member of the well-known Leningrad photographic club Zerkalo, where he had his first solo exhibition (1978).
Since this was creative activity that had no connection with the official Soviet propaganda, the opportunity to declare himself publicly as an artist came only at the peak of Perestroika in 1989 with his “Nomenclature of Signs” exhibition and the creation of Ligovka 99, a photographers’ exhibition space that was independent of the Communist ideology.
Titarenko has received numerous awards from institutions such as the Musee de l’Elysee in Lausanne, Switzerland; the Soros Center for Contemporary Art in St. Petersburg; and the Mosaique program of the Luxemburg National Audiovisual Centre. He has participated in many international festivals, biennales, and projects and has had more than 30 personal exhibitions, both in Europe and the United States.
Thanks to Alexey for permission to use his photograph “City of Shadows: St. Petersburg 1990s” in my chapter “Darwin and Human Society” in the book Darwin.